In article <CDCta.10$sH6.36183***twister.nyc.rr.com>, wel_matrix***hotmail.com says...
>
>I am very interested in learning programming. However I am having trouble
>starting, I need advice as to which language would be the best for a
>beginner to start with and where I may find the tools needed to
>start.......literature.....compilers...etc.
>
>Thanks in advance
>Ben

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>>I am very interested in learning programming. However I am having trouble
>>starting, I need advice as to which language would be the best for a
>>beginner to start with and where I may find the tools needed to
>>start.......literature.....compilers...etc.
>>
>>Thanks in advance
>>Ben

BASIC is still a great language for an easy introduction to programming.
One super version is at:

http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA008683/index.htm

or in English:

http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA008...lish/index.htm

Tom Lake

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:57:43 -0500, Tom Lake wrote:

>>>I am very interested in learning programming. However I am having
>>>trouble starting, I need advice as to which language would be the best
>>>for a beginner to start with and where I may find the tools needed to
>>>start.......literature.....compilers...etc.
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance
>>>Ben
>
> BASIC is still a great language for an easy introduction to programming.
> One super version is at:

Ick... I, unfortunately, learned BASIC as my first language. Don't bother
learning all those things you will have to unlearn. If you start with a
language with a global variable scope, no functions and is built around
using goto you're going to have a hard time making the transition to a
language that thinks all of those things are blaspheme.

As others have said, start with C/C++ or Java. Your first programs don't
have to be overly complicated and everything you learn in a C-like
language translates to every other C-like language out there.

Once you get the logic behind loops and conditional statements it's all
about syntax, no matter what language you're using.

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:29:11 -0600, Ivan Marsh <annoyed***you.now>
wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:57:43 -0500, Tom Lake wrote:
>
>>>>I am very interested in learning programming. However I am having
>>>>trouble starting, I need advice as to which language would be the best
>>>>for a beginner to start with and where I may find the tools needed to
>>>>start.......literature.....compilers...etc.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks in advance
>>>>Ben
>>
>> BASIC is still a great language for an easy introduction to programming.
>> One super version is at:
>
>Ick... I, unfortunately, learned BASIC as my first language. Don't bother
>learning all those things you will have to unlearn. If you start with a
>language with a global variable scope, no functions and is built around
>using goto you're going to have a hard time making the transition to a
>language that thinks all of those things are blaspheme.

That must have been a LONG time ago, on a very primitive BASIC. Modern
BASICs have functions, subroutines, local variables, global variables,
(in between variables), common variables . . .

I spent YEARS (well months, anyway) trying to figure out the variable
scope rules for PDS. (ms quickbasic 7.10) Not sure that I ever did.

<snip>

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On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:50:16 -0600, ArarghMail702NOSPAM wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:29:11 -0600, Ivan Marsh <annoyed***you.now> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:57:43 -0500, Tom Lake wrote:
>>
>>>>>I am very interested in learning programming. However I am having
>>>>>trouble starting, I need advice as to which language would be the
>>>>>best for a beginner to start with and where I may find the tools
>>>>>needed to start.......literature.....compilers...etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks in advance
>>>>>Ben
>>>
>>> BASIC is still a great language for an easy introduction to
>>> programming. One super version is at:
>>
>>Ick... I, unfortunately, learned BASIC as my first language. Don't
>>bother learning all those things you will have to unlearn. If you start
>>with a language with a global variable scope, no functions and is built
>>around using goto you're going to have a hard time making the transition
>>to a language that thinks all of those things are blaspheme.
>
> That must have been a LONG time ago, on a very primitive BASIC.

Indeed it was (Apple IIe).

> Modern BASICs have functions, subroutines, local variables, global
> variables, (in between variables), common variables . . .

I had no idea BASIC had evolved... or that anyone had bothered to make it
evolve.

> I spent YEARS (well months, anyway) trying to figure out the variable
> scope rules for PDS. (ms quickbasic 7.10) Not sure that I ever did.

Now that I've spent a considerable amount of time with C++ I wish it had
been the first language I worked with.

På Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:29:11 +0100, skrev Ivan Marsh <annoyed***you.now>:

> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:57:43 -0500, Tom Lake wrote:
>
>>>> I am very interested in learning programming. However I am having
>>>> trouble starting, I need advice as to which language would be the best
>>>> for a beginner to start with and where I may find the tools needed to
>>>> start.......literature.....compilers...etc.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>> Ben
>>
>> BASIC is still a great language for an easy introduction to programming.
>> One super version is at:
>
> Ick... I, unfortunately, learned BASIC as my first language. Don't bother
> learning all those things you will have to unlearn. If you start with a
> language with a global variable scope, no functions and is built around
> using goto you're going to have a hard time making the transition to a
> language that thinks all of those things are blaspheme.
>
> As others have said, start with C/C++ or Java. Your first programs don't
> have to be overly complicated and everything you learn in a C-like
> language translates to every other C-like language out there.
>
> Once you get the logic behind loops and conditional statements it's all
> about syntax, no matter what language you're using.

I strongly recommend that the child starts with no less then assembly
programming.
There is no tool as happy to go where the playful mind of a child would
like to go, than an assembler. Do not polute a childs mind with the
abominations of C, C++ and or C# or absurdities like Java.

The one i am using, and that I recommend is RosAsm.

< http://betov.free.fr/RosAsm.html >

If he goes this route, he will be teaching you guys a thing or two, in
less then a few months. In a few years, he will be laughing his head of at
you gays, woundering what went wrong with you.

)

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:57:49 -0600, Ivan Marsh <annoyed***you.now>
wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:50:16 -0600, ArarghMail702NOSPAM wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:29:11 -0600, Ivan Marsh <annoyed***you.now> wrote:
<snip>
>>>Ick... I, unfortunately, learned BASIC as my first language. Don't
>>>bother learning all those things you will have to unlearn. If you start
>>>with a language with a global variable scope, no functions and is built
>>>around using goto you're going to have a hard time making the transition
>>>to a language that thinks all of those things are blaspheme.
>>
>> That must have been a LONG time ago, on a very primitive BASIC.
>
>Indeed it was (Apple IIe).
Someone gave me an Apple IIe some time back. No software, however.
>
>> Modern BASICs have functions, subroutines, local variables, global
>> variables, (in between variables), common variables . . .
>
>I had no idea BASIC had evolved... or that anyone had bothered to make it
>evolve.
Just take a look at QBasic (comes with DOS 5. . . & Win9x). It has a
lot of the features that the for pay versions have.

>> I spent YEARS (well months, anyway) trying to figure out the variable
>> scope rules for PDS. (ms quickbasic 7.10) Not sure that I ever did.
>
>Now that I've spent a considerable amount of time with C++ I wish it had
>been the first language I worked with.
About the only way I can understand C programs (beyond very simple
ones) is to feed it thru the compiler and read the corresponding asm
code. :-) The GUI versions of VB, also.

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On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:57:49 -0600, Ivan Marsh <annoyed***you.now>
wrote:

<snip>

>> That must have been a LONG time ago, on a very primitive BASIC.

>Indeed it was (Apple IIe).

That was my second dialect of BASIC

>> Modern BASICs have functions, subroutines, local variables, global
>> variables, (in between variables), common variables . . .

>I had no idea BASIC had evolved... or that anyone had bothered to make it
>evolve.

You would not recognize it nowadays, in fact you would not recognize
20 year old BASICs

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> In article <CDCta.10$sH6.36183***twister.nyc.rr.com>, wel_matrix***hotmail.com
> says...
>>
>>I am very interested in learning programming. However I am having trouble
>>starting, I need advice as to which language would be the best for a
>>beginner to start with and where I may find the tools needed to
>>start.......literature.....compilers...etc.
>>
>>Thanks in advance
>>Ben
>
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